Hallo all

These rules are:

-ALL joining the guild People ..........new or returning Player........MUST write an application and apply to guild
-ANYONE who is not logged in for 7 months will be kicked out of guild by Sarkus
-ANYONE who has not attend a raid for 7 months  will LOOSE ALL DKP
-ANYONE who says bad,insulting things to other guild People in guild or raid Chat will be warned ONCE............if continued kicked out of raid and 100 dkp punishment

Cya
Troll Marshall Sarkus

Sounds good to me.....

Thanks Sarkus for all you do to lead.

Samthena

I like your style boss

DE approved

Damn  WTG on this even thou I will more then likely be the first one kicked out of and charged 100 dkp for saying something stupid

Waiting for rules to be put in place for people that always die to boss specials, wipe raids or refuse to learn from encounters. Just saying, when do we weed out 1/2 effort people if ever. 

Will be hard for me to not insult the guy that refuses to move from boss specials, eats rampages like a job and refuses to learn from their mistakes.

As a healer getting 20 tells for buffs while i am healing not only my group but people outside my group is what makes me angry , when the reason they died could have been avoided with a little paying attention.

You EARNED DKP , I don't get you lose it.  Secondly what if your hurt for a year, you didn't choose to leave eq,   Also what about people who get busy for 9 months. At least make it a year. 7 Months just isn't enough I think


If someone has School, or is Hurt, Or Sick, Or Birth or Military their should be something in place for exceptions Like sending Sarkus a tell saying he ill be out for this long. Or if your hurt bring Sarkus a doctors note.

Kindoz wrote:

You EARNED DKP , I don't get you lose it.  Secondly what if your hurt for a year, you didn't choose to leave eq,   Also what about people who get busy for 9 months. At least make it a year. 7 Months just isn't enough I think


If someone has School, or is Hurt, Or Sick, Or Birth or Military their should be something in place for exceptions Like sending Sarkus a tell saying he ill be out for this long. Or if your hurt bring Sarkus a doctors note.

Than a smaller guild like a casual family guild would suit these people. We are a raiding guild , at least thats what i thought i joined. Their are lots of social clubs i can join in the real world. I joined this guild to raid not be in a club.

TormiTunare wrote:

Kindoz wrote:

You EARNED DKP , I don't get you lose it.  Secondly what if your hurt for a year, you didn't choose to leave eq,   Also what about people who get busy for 9 months. At least make it a year. 7 Months just isn't enough I think


If someone has School, or is Hurt, Or Sick, Or Birth or Military their should be something in place for exceptions Like sending Sarkus a tell saying he ill be out for this long. Or if your hurt bring Sarkus a doctors note.

Than a smaller guild like a casual family guild would suit these people. We are a raiding guild , at least thats what i thought i joined. Their are lots of social clubs i can join in the real world. I joined this guild to raid not be in a club.

So people who have other priorities should not be allowed to raid when they can or should be penalized for that? I am not going to argue the rule, it is what ever but you can't just dismiss Kindoz by assuming that people who have lives outside of EQ that often take priority should not be allowed to raid. I personally pay a whole hell of a lot more to go to school and get my degrees than I do to play EQ, so to say that my priority is school when I am there is really just a financial investment. Are you gonna pay for the classes I fail cause I make raiding a priority? 

I am not mad and I am not taking anything personal I just think too many people in this guild adopt a black and white attitude and it is not conducive in all situations. All Kindoz is asking for is consideration on a case by case basis. Take Daura for an example, she finds out she has cancer and is gone for a while due to that, do we kick her? Do we take all of her DKP because of something that is far out of her control?

I suggest if you are to give birth etc you let Sarkus know...?  Maybe he makes an exception...idk but I think it's about damn time we have RULES!
You go, bosstroll.

Wow Tormi cold dude people got lives this isn't a job but it is a raid guild. Im just saying exceptions. So if I get hurt bad an I wanna raid but I cant I need a family guild. Your wrong on many levels. People have different situations. So your saying people with cancer an stuff should be booted its wrong.

FawnTemplar wrote:

TormiTunare wrote:

Than a smaller guild like a casual family guild would suit these people. We are a raiding guild , at least thats what i thought i joined. Their are lots of social clubs i can join in the real world. I joined this guild to raid not be in a club.

So people who have other priorities should not be allowed to raid when they can or should be penalized for that? I am not going to argue the rule, it is what ever but you can't just dismiss Kindoz by assuming that people who have lives outside of EQ that often take priority should not be allowed to raid. I personally pay a whole hell of a lot more to go to school and get my degrees than I do to play EQ, so to say that my priority is school when I am there is really just a financial investment. Are you gonna pay for the classes I fail cause I make raiding a priority? 

I am not mad and I am not taking anything personal I just think too many people in this guild adopt a black and white attitude and it is not conducive in all situations.

The reason these rules are now in place is , some of us worked are asses off to get to tier 4, while others took a " break "  come back get 30% attendance and take loot from full time raiders, than take a " break " again, How is that fair?

I heartily believe in RL 1st BUT there are many times I have reworked my RL business to be avail to raid.  Raiding in a game is a choice.  No, it is not the same as getting married or your job or whatever is you RL priority.
We all belong to a raiding guild for a reason.  We enjoy top loot.  we enjoy the rush of winning.  We enjoy doing something as a group that cannot be accomplished by one solo or boxing.
When you belong to something like a raiding guild you make a commitment to be there and be part of that bigger picture.  Others depend on you to be there and rework THEIR schedules so you can all do this one thing TOGETHER.
If you cannot commit (I exclude extenuating circumstances) then maybe a raiding guild isn't for you.
That said, we all take periodic breaks.
Sarkus' rule is 7 months straight no logging on no showing up for 1 raid.  I find it fair.
My 2 cents
~Aulu~

Kindoz, you read way too much into things - if I am not mistaken people with cancer ARE in this guild along with others that have various health issues.
I think you are kneejerk reacting without really thinking about what is said.
Think, then speak.
My 2 cp

Kindoz wrote:

Wow Tormi cold dude people got lives this isn't a job but it is a raid guild. Im just saying exceptions. So if I get hurt bad an I wanna raid but I cant I need a family guild. Your wrong on many levels. People have different situations. So your saying people with cancer an stuff should be booted its wrong.

 
1) 7 months is a LONG time
2) in Seven months the guild could burn through a whole xpac
3) Commitment and follow-through aren't just words some of us use.
4) I wonder if other raiding guilds would let someone come back, raid and than loot after 7 months
5) see number 1

Auluvanye wrote:

I heartily believe in RL 1st BUT there are many times I have reworked my RL business to be avail to raid.  Raiding in a game is a choice.  No, it is not the same as getting married or your job or whatever is you RL priority.
We all belong to a raiding guild for a reason.  We enjoy top loot.  we enjoy the rush of winning.  We enjoy doing something as a group that cannot be accomplished by one solo or boxing.
When you belong to something like a raiding guild you make a commitment to be there and be part of that bigger picture.  Others depend on you to be there and rework THEIR schedules so you can all do this one thing TOGETHER.
If you cannot commit (I exclude extenuating circumstances) then maybe a raiding guild isn't for you.
That said, we all take periodic breaks.
Sarkus' rule is 7 months straight no logging on no showing up for 1 raid.  I find it fair.
My 2 cents
~Aulu~

I love this aulu , you said it better than me but this is exactly what i was trying to say just shorter hehe

TormiTunare wrote:

FawnTemplar wrote:

So people who have other priorities should not be allowed to raid when they can or should be penalized for that? I am not going to argue the rule, it is what ever but you can't just dismiss Kindoz by assuming that people who have lives outside of EQ that often take priority should not be allowed to raid. I personally pay a whole hell of a lot more to go to school and get my degrees than I do to play EQ, so to say that my priority is school when I am there is really just a financial investment. Are you gonna pay for the classes I fail cause I make raiding a priority? 

I am not mad and I am not taking anything personal I just think too many people in this guild adopt a black and white attitude and it is not conducive in all situations.

The reason these rules are now in place is , some of us worked are asses off to get to tier 4, while others took a " break "  come back get 30% attendance and take loot from full time raiders, than take a " break " again, How is that fair?

Right, and I completely agree with you but those aren't the people Kindoz is talking about.

Kindoz,

Again, quit your whining. Always whining. You are an inefficient leader and lack self esteem. Please go ahead and leave for family guild.

This is all about control. And, daura not everyone likes top loot. I just like the thrill of the hunt.

Sarkus wrote:

Hallo all

These rules are:

-ALL joining the guild People ..........new or returning Player........MUST write an application and apply to guild
-ANYONE who is not logged in for 7 months will be kicked out of guild by Sarkus
-ANYONE who has not attend a raid for 7 months  will LOOSE ALL DKP
-ANYONE who says bad,insulting things to other guild People in guild or raid Chat will be warned ONCE............if continued kicked out of raid and 100 dkp punishment

Cya
Troll Marshall Sarkus

And you see, even Sarkus uses wrong vocabulary. New, Returning and Former members. And the other issue is that it is one sided. So if someone provokes someone, the provoker is not penalized only the person who is responding in kind. So, as with most governments. FAIL.

Sarkus wrote:

-ANYONE who says bad,insulting things to other guild People in guild or raid Chat will be warned ONCE............if continued kicked out of raid and 100 dkp punishment

A warning for each occurrence? or one warning to rule them all?

What is the standard for bad and insulting? Is it a collaborative vote or any officer can do? If any officer can do, what protects a person from being scrutinized by people in special circles?

I really do not know why folks seem upset about the DKP lost.  It is 7 months which is  more than half a year without even once doing a single raid.  That is by far the most liberal rule in any raiding guild I have heard of.  And yes we are a raiding guild.  You do not get kicked out of guild unless you do not even log on once in 7 months.  Again super liberal rule for a raiding guild.  I still think this goes back to how you view the guild.  If you view us a raiding guild this seems LONG overdue and  more than likely not enough. If you view us a family guild this seems punitive and harsh.  What we are is a unique and (on my good days I think ) awesome way to combine the two.  This is a fair compromise to how both groups view this guild. This  has made me much more happy about logging in and working my ass off to progress. That way when folks whose real life make them take a back seat  -come back and raid- they have a guild that still is at least competitive.  Also- common sense here.  No one is suggesting that we kick out or punish with DKP lost someone who has a medical illness or military service.  
As to the rule about how you talk to someone, none of us are butt stupid.  We are all basically adults.  We can use common sense and know the difference between  blowing off some steam and personally attacking another person.   If nothing else it should make us all think about how we treat folks and maybe just maybe do a bit better then we do now, not because of DKP but because its the RIGHT THING TO DO.

Right in who's mind?

All I want to know is,who going to enforce the rules when Sarkus isn't on???? Because when I do,the people just cry to Sarkus and it's given back.The other officers don't want to be BAD GUYS !!!

It' said you get one warning , which I assume will be in tells.  Seriously how hard is it to get  tell from an officer and just stop it even if you think you are not wrong?  If you cannot stop(which I am guilty of myself) than maybe you do deserve the DKP plenty or maybe just turn our asses off from being seen in guild and let us talk ourselves to death(which honestly may hurt more than then the DKP0.  The only problem I see in this would be their not being a set standard across the board from officer to officer and day to day.  Officer will have to be very careful to not let their own tempers or non like of a player to influence taking someone's DKP.  However the tell clause should really just clear that up, if an officer says stop even if you think they are wrong just stop or log.