So by now we are all aware that Sony fully intends on auto granting aa's to toons which will be all inclusive but will leave out the most current four expansions  (Oh but you can opt out if you so choose as if that makes those of us who busted our humps to earn those AA being given away feel any better about it because we all know so many n00bs will say "No thanks I will earn mine the way everyone else had to")                                                                                               
Part of the requirement to app Grey Horizon was that the app have a MINIMUM 3500 AA. I feel that AA and having earned that minimum shows that someone by that time should have developed at least a decent understanding of how to play their toon. Skill is developed over time and is not something that Sony can bestow upon someone like AA. So the question I have is how will our app process change to reflect the changes Sony is making? I am not sure exactly how many aa will be gifted but what is a fair number to require new apps to have? I feel that the current way we have things will become outdated very very soon.

That is a very good point.

I agree.  I think if and when those changes go live, there should be a rough estimate somewhere of how many AA will be in the autogrant.  I recommend we just add that amount to our current minimum.  So if our minimum is 3500 now and they're giving away 4k, make 7500 the new requirement.

I was wondering if guilds were going to be looking at recruiting AA reqs with the changes, but I think the 4k number is too high. It is more 3 or 3.5k and that actually may be too high. I opted in to the AA stuff ( because half of the stuff was crap to have anyway as a necro) having around 4kish AAs, I ended up with just under 7k.

Requiring 7.5k I would no be a member even. Lol. Just food for thought for what is is worth.

Lucy

Thinking further on the issue it would also have to be examined on a class by class basis. Seeing how a lot of the AAs for me ( a necro) were kind of useless. I could see how another class, Warrior or SK off the top of my head, would really require or find more necessary, a lot of those older expansion AAs. So therefore they would have wasted more of their time grinding these AAs and would not have benefited as much as say a caster in the amount of auto-granted AA. So in turn they would have way lower in terms of over all AA count due to benefiting less.

I hope I am making sense...I am at work and is very early in the AM for me! Lol.

Lucy

I know we can't really see what, or what number of, aa's people have (although if they get an aa level ach and have that turned on to display, one might be able to see number I guess) so perhaps the requirement should be more along the lines of 'have all necessary class specific aas' for raiding, rather than specify a particular number of aas. If the person can't do a particular thing that is enhanced by or defined by an important aa that may be easier to discern during their recruit period.

I am not taking the freebie auto-grant (I have only 4500 aas earned) so if you up the number required alone, I again won't qualify for months to come yet - and most of the ones I will earn from now on are probably the lowest ones. I can't hold my own against a grey in North Ro (no offensive aas really) but I CAN raid very well since I have all the healing/curing ones, etc.. I doubt I am the only person in all of Norrath who just doesn't want the auto-grant right now.

I support chiasma's idea however this would mean people would have to create a magelo when they app ( which is a required part of the app process which seems has fallen to the wayside).

I also agree with Chiasma, I don't think I have ever thought that a base number is what we should be looking at in the first place when it comes to AA's. I think we should make an addition to the page with the charter on it saying "What we require in the suchandsuch class" or maybe make something in the app section of the forums which is a sticky that has a list for what we require any applicant for a specific class to have. These requirements should be written by people who actually play that class as well. This way, say if a certain druid wants to app they can go look at what we expect from druids and they have a clear idea of their job in the guild and a goal to work towards if they don't quite meet the requirements. It also gives the leadership clear grounds for not accepting people or kicking them out if they lie.

Yes a list of required AA is standard for many guilds again this will mean we will have to enforce the magelo requirement. Magelos can be both paid for as well as entered manually for free so their is no excuse as to why an app would not have one at this point. Each class could create a post in their respective part of this forum and suggest what we require of a person who chooses to app that class in terms of AA